as a judoka i always enjoy joe rogan talking about judo

My Judo instructor used to say, "You can kick or punch, and that's fine, but what we do is hit the opponent with the earth." 😆 From what I've seen of Krav Maga, it's pretty much the same type of self defense techniques we learned in karate. The opponent attacks and you do this, this and this. They were called one steps because your partner did one attack and you countered with a prescribed defense. To me, the missing ingredient is sparring. If you never spar, you never really learn timing, range and footwork. And you sure as hell never learn what it's like to get hit and to keep going.

My foreman, way back in the 60s, was a judo blackbelt. He was a WW2 vet and served in the military for several years in Japan. I was in my late teens and he was in his late 40s. I was a big strong untrained country boy and he was a 160 lb "old" man. Sometimes during breaks and lunch I would "test" him. I was fascinated with all the things he could do no mater what direction I came at him and I knew he could mess me up if he wanted to. Luckily he was good natured and he liked me. RIP Preston.

As a judoka and a former doorman, judo throwing is a finisher.

Judo and bjj together equals big problems for anyone. Train both 🥋👌🏻

Joe is spot on here. People might underestimate how proficient he is in understanding martial arts

This is something I only realised after stopping my (very brief) foray into Judo. The thing that makes it awesome is the shifting of weight and precision of techniques. Those are things that can be transferred into any grappling sport.

I started training in 1999 at 19 yrs old. I started In Filipino stick fighting, and knife defense, that went into Trapping (JKD), Thai kickboxing, and BJJ. I trained all of these at the same time, and eventually tried to incorporate particular techniques and concepts together. I did this about 15 hours per week for about 4 years. I got injured in BJJ in 2003. At that time I had been a Blue Belt when I quit. I eventually came back in late 2019 strictly in no gi BJJ. I eventually started Judo and did that for about 2 years. As an over 40 guy Judo is rough on the body to start so late. I currently should be getting my purple belt at the next promotion. I recently started stick training again. That being said, I train with absolute and I mean absolute monsters. These guys are the top of the top. One is a BJJ champion highly decorated black belt that 225 solid mussel. He has been training MMA for the past 2 years, one of the other guys is a 14-3 pro fighter. He is a BJJ black belt and is like a freaking phantom in the ring. He typically sits at 185lbs. We have a boat load of the highly skilled monsters that train and teach 30-40 hours per week every week for decades. With other monsters. These are my instructors and training partners. I currently train 10-14 hours per week, recreationally. These Krav guys have know idea what violence is. These guys can be and absolutely train everyone how to be violent and when to be violent. My primary professor always reminds us,”My Job Is to tech you violence. That is what we are learning in my gym.” Now we learn how to control that violence when, where, and why we would want to be violent. In my opinion any blue belt BJJ guy that occasionally gets hit with 4 oz gloves and learns how to throw some hands would absolutely dominate and pick apart just about any Krav guy in any fighting situation. Good dang luck with that.

He's not wrong. Particularly against untrained opponents (which will be most self defense situations), Judo is incredible.

Krav pulls from a bunch of different martial arts. Mainly Karate/TKD from my experience. I know Krav has a different flavors depending on the instructor, but it looks like a lot of their striking & kicking techniques resemble Karate/TKD. Now as a retired police officer, I think Krav has some great weapon disarms. They seemed to work for me and my old training partners in pressure-tested environments. But we all trained in BJJ, Judo, and Boxing with dabbling in a lot of everything else to see find the good.

We had a BJJ guy join our K-boxing club, even though we trained Thai as well it didn't matter with free sparring at the end of class. All we wanted to learn was as much BJJ as possible then train for misery and get accustomed to it. A Krav guy came along...we learned gun disarms but the trigger guard broke his finger...he didn't come back?

Some folks fear heights, because they're afraid of falling. The fall, however, isn't the problem. It's the sudden stop at the end of the fall that hurts. So got to love judo, where you take someone from their feet to throwing them to the hard, unforgiving ground.

It always depends on the circumstances Grappling in the streets is extremely risky because it puts you close enough to get stabbed or you can get jumped while on the ground The best self defense is evasion The best fighting style is whatever is available at that moment to hit But the main concern is to survive Best way to survive is to be aware, find a escape and take it Best survival technique is to run away , it's how the Shaolin monks are trained

"Grappling! But definitely striking." - Joe Rogan

I roll with some guys in BJJ and sometimes I think "Man, I wouldn't be able to best these guys even if I had a knife". The experience you get from that is invaluable. However, you should NEVER underestimate an unexperienced guy in a self-defence situation, for they can be wild and have a very violent intent (Imagine fighting a tribesman, good luck with your martial arts).

I practiced Judo and Grappling myself, I'm agree that it's on the top 5 when it comes to self defense BUT, the biggest issue with them is that they are absolutely focused entirely on 1 vs 1 combat, but it's NEVER taking in consideration when it's 1 vs 2, or 3 or more And sadly, when it comes to street fights, that's MOSTLY the case, it's rare that it's a fair 1 vs 1, so I would highly advise to FIRST, know some striking to be able to face (at least trying to survive) multiple opponents and THEN learn some grappling to be able to handle very good the 1 vs 1 situation. If you have you spend all your life only practicing grappling or judo, you're overkilling it, you're the best, you're prepared blablabla, and let's say the times come, FINALLY, the first and only time in your life when you get attacked in the street, and guess what... they are 4 guys. You're screwed. All of your years and belts in BJJ or Judo are becoming instantly useless, because as soon as you grab one of the dude, the 3 others are going to smash you. The most stupid decision would be to end up on the group doing some grappling, and that's some sad truth that most people in the MMA field or on podcats like Joe Rogan or Jocko Willink or many other are just never mentioning.

For pure self-defence, not for having a match-fight, then Boxing + Judo is a very good combination. You just have to know what techniques not to use, ie don't use the jab from Boxing or the sacrifice techniques (I call them suicide techniques) from Judo.

I think everyone gets very myopic when it comes to martial arts. Especially about their own. First if you are training great. Everyone should train. But everyone should train to their own realities and limitations. Age, height, strength, mobility, etc. Krav is hand to hand combat. It is situational training for day-to-day street activity. If someone uses a weapon, if there is multiply attackers, attacks from behind, etc. Also, it is very rare that you will need self-defense and even more rare that you would need it against another trained professional on the street. Height, strength and skill will always win. But I like Krav for the tools it teaches you for everyday street reality. That includes what happens after the fight, hospital, court, police etc. Krav is not a martial art for tournaments, it is a whole bunch of life lessons you don't want to experience for the first time with no preparation. Like everything in life, it depends on the situation and hindsight to offer an opinion of validity. And yes, we do spar every week and we do BJJ and Mauy Tai, at least my club does.

Hi Guys, well I trained Judo for some years (blue belt) and have been training Krav Maga since 2016. If practiced with good coaching, both are great by their own rights. It's not so much what we train but how we train. My Krav Maga Master used to be a highly world ranked professional Kickboxer and uses all his ring and realism experience in his teaching. He also teaches Krav Maga in Special Forces of my country for military purposes. This is no joke. The way we train Krav Maga it's not how other schools and organizations may train, we sparr a lot, use Judo throws, work on the floor but with anti grappling techniques, because in streetfighting it's dangerous to stay on the ground. The way we train self defense situations is always with open tasks and we have to always adapt and improvise, not with coreographed movements. We know that if we have to fight with someone with a knife, at some point there are great chances that we wil going to be cut, but we always train with that scenario in mind. I know the bad fame that Krav Maga gained because of the business interests and fake instructors. Just not judge one entire system based on bad examples.

So glad to hear Joe talking sense about Krav Mag. All that stuff is choreography and depends on you knowing exactly what your opponent is going to do. I was once watching a Ju jitsu class once and they were taking turns practicing a really impressive defence against a line-up of attackers throwing a right hand punch. It all looked super impressive until the fourth or fifth bloke got the choreography wrong and threw a left-hander and completely dropped the guy in the middle taking the line-up. It wasn't even funny at the time.

Love Joe when he talks about stuff he knows. Having a balance of ground and stand up controls like judo, Hapkido, and Japanese ju jitsu. Chances are if you get into a fight, they have friends- don’t want to be stuck on the ground when their friends jump in.

I've done martial arts for years. Best self defence is to de-escalate or walk away. Violence outside a ring is unpredictable and unfair.

When I was a kid I went to learn Seal Lung (little dragon🐉) a form of Kung-Fu. I watched a few competitions at that time but was most impressed by Judo competitions. They just looked more heavy duty & the art looked robust. It was interesting to learn that they taught to use someone's weight & momentum against them first, what a matador concept.. Samurai

I think that it was and would be kind of inpractical in some scenarios like in case when surface is not flat. Plus there is also issue of what if there are more then one opponents? Then going down on a ground is practicly suicide. For me it looks like those are the important elements why it was not used so often and traditional styles dont have those to such extent but it was later developed especially for practice in a dojo, gym or other place like that. Im not trying to say its bad I believe its very good but have certain disadvantages.

I’m a boxer/ kick-boxer and now learning Judo. I have very strong faith in my hands and feet, but now and glad to expand into throws and ground tactics.

OG Judo is actually the best martial art for self-defense/ Public Safety and MMA because it teaches you to fight from an upright position and always win the takedown! Unfortunately it got ruined by SPORT focus and lapel dependency so freestyle wrestling and Sambo took the "crown" The punchline is mixed martial arts is its own style called Pankration yet it's not a successful martial art because there's no ranking and promotion systems so in a commercialized World it can't compete with the relatively safe simple and very profitable BJJ

The best scenario in self defense is a strike knock down or judo throw that keeps you standing up. Once you're on the ground and the guy has assistance which is not that uncommon you're in big trouble.

At our bjj gym we do judo throws and wrestling takedowns every day. All of these moves are incorporated into grappling. You come learn bjj and leave knowing basic judo and wrestling as well. A lot of these moves are not isolated into a specific martial art, they are shared and work well together. You’ll be hard pressed to find a purple belt that doesn’t know a basic double leg or a couple of judo throws.

I love martial arts I have practiced them my entire life and will continue to for the rest of my life but I will always say the best line of defense is learn how to shoot and carry concealed. You never know what the other guy has or how many of them there are. When it comes to your life do not take chances.

Judo probably has the most instant stopping-power in a street self-defense situation. Muay Thai sweeps and trips too. The concrete is a vicious strike. It breaks bones and dislocates joints. You can throw someone in a T-shirt extremely hard. You can bring them to the cement like you're breaking concrete and they the head of a sledgehammer. You can alter their trajectory mid-air while multiplying the force of gravity, and angle their impact towards specific parts of the body, like the face, head, neck, shoulder or hip. Don't fight on the street.

Spot on that also applies for other traditional martial arts like kung fu and all those techniques like tiger fist and dragon kick they might work against an untrained person on the street but against someone who actually knows what is doing it can be very impractical

I trained in primarily Tang Soo Do for about 3 years. With some Judo and Aikido. This was c1980. With traditional Korean instructors. I didn’t get past brown belt 2nd class. For me, I competed in 7 full contact matches. Dera I was in 2 separate altercations while still in my 20s . I was 5 9 165. My mo

Judo saved my life so many times in fights i owe everything to judo

Khabib once said he respects Judo the most of all the martial arts.

I started Krav Maga around 4 years ago, I did it to help quit smoking, improve my fitness and gain increased confidence in having to ever defend myself or my family. I'm a retired Detective from the UK, so had always been around violence to varying degrees on a weekly basis. I was also used to having to use violence to achieve certain outcomes. For me I just wished I'd started Krav 30 years ago because it would have helped me in so many encounters I'd been in. For me, knowing how to deal quickly and forcefully with a knife to my front or back or someone swinging a bat at me is the real World scenario that I've encountered before. Yes it's basic stuff, it has to be to make it more accessible for everyone and yes it may upset many for its relatively short existence and taking from other systems but I just cannot understand the level of animosity folks have towards it, its bizarre? You strike, block, defend and disarm and also learn how to get away, what's the issue? One of the members of my club does BJJ and he had no answer to the knife disarm from behind against an ATM. Nothing wrong with that but it illustrates the point, you chose what you practice for your own purpose or experience and no one system is better than another, how could that even be measured? Quit the moaning, enjoy your training and just let people get on and do what makes them happy.

Strike is best but when you fight a judoka that seeks to cling on you, your strikes must be shocking powerful and accurate in the first part of the fight. Because you don't want the 2nd part of the fight on the ground. Fighting a judoka is tricky even for experience fighters as wu-shu or muay thai. You must overwhelm them with punches, kicks and determination from the start to descourage any follow up situation resulting basically in choking because this is all they do. You may study accupresure points to get out of a choke as well. Or study some judo.

Decades ago I trained TKD with a high level master. The master was also 4th degree judoka. He said on the street I’ll throw my opponent on concrete rather than strike.

“Learn martial arts that work on martial artist not martial arts that work on untrained people” well said. Learn what works.

I disagree with the statement that judo is the best martial art, but the athleticism you gain from practicing it and the skill in grappling and taking a target down are certainly more useful than say, practicing aikido. Jiu-Jitsu I only say is not a great first choice because it only works against one opponent and holds you still, which means that unlike if you say, learned a less GENERALLY effective style, like karate, but then got jumped by 2 or 3 dudes outside a bar, you don't have to grab ahold of a dude and roll on the ground to throw a strike or two as you try to escape. As someone who's had lethal weapons pulled on them, also those who tell you they could easily disarm an attacker are largely lying through their teeth, to you AND to themselves. I would say that there is no best martial art for real self-defense, because real self-defense scenarios barely ever benefit from martial arts training. Martial arts generally assume that you will not have a weapon (historically through ALL of human history, the best self-defense tactic is to carry and have a degree of competency with the weapons of the day through training) and thus also particularly badly in the modern day, assume your attacker will not be standing at least ten feet away from you with a gun. People also tend to imagine scenarios without understand the motivations behind those who may want to hurt you. Humans mainly hurt people for two things- fun and profit. In the modern day, mugging someone is almost never going to be worth your time, because people barely ever carry cash, and unless they have a contact to sell your phone to really immediately, that isn't a commodity either. They could take your credit cards and use those, but the likelihood they get caught doing that is incredibly high, and most won't bother to do that. So profit is mostly not a reason to attack people nowadays- that leaves fun. Most people don't just find it fun to bash on others without pretext, so if people are hurting you for fun, it's probably because you insulted them somehow, as in the scenario I'm imagining when I presented that, "2 or 3 dudes jump you outside a bar". Also worth noting, the NORM is going to be that you're outnumbered in that scenario. So to recap- most people who have to worry about this are people who disrespect people in public places and assume they won't get hit in the mouth. Martial arts are FUN to learn, martial arts are a great way to introduce some discipline and athleticism into your life, which everyone can benefit from! But don't go assuming that you'd win a street fight because you train Judo, or Karate, or anything else, really. Fights are chaotic, violent, messy affairs that almost never have a clean winner. If you WIN a fight with someone who, for instance, brings a friend and a knife, you may still suffer permanently from injuries you sustain in that fight. Which is why, as cringe as it sounds, the BEST self-defense skill is respect. Learn how to show people with your words and actions that you respect them, and that will deter most people who may wish to harm you. Also carry a gun.

As a Muay Thai practitioner I'd love to learn some Judo too

Funny story. Many years ago I was out drinking with a few people. We stopped at local college bar towards end nof evening. ! guy I was with was bragging about armwrestling prowess. Door guy took him down right handede pretty easily. Guy then said his left hand was his strong arm. Again, same result. So in his alcohol fueled arrogance, He asked if the door guy wanted to go outside. Doorman said “ You probably don’t want that but if you insist”. Well, doorman walked out first, the guy second and me with girl drinking buddy about 2 seconds after that. When we got outside , the doorguy already had him pinned to the ground with no chance to even move. 2 seconds. Tuns out he was rated 2nd in our state for Judo. Nice guy, didn’t hurt the guy.

I’m not at all an expert on fight theory but in practice over the years, I’ve had great success with head butting. People aren’t ready for it for some reason and if you can get ahold of their head or even better if they have long enough hair in back, one to four smashes has ended every encounter without hurting my hands and fingers.

As a martial artist, this is my ranking of the best martial arts you can learn 1. Gracie Jiu-jitsu (there is nothing better all around) 2. Muay Thai/lethwei 3. How to fight with a handgun (Not just pulling the trigger, but actual high-level training, tactics, shooting on the move, retention etc.) If I had to leave out one of these it would be the striking.

The problem with Krav Maga is that it cannot be practiced close enough to reality. The advantage of combat sports used for self-defense, is that they can be practiced against a fully resisting opponent very close to reality. When this is removed from the training methodology, there is no way to know that what is trained is actually functional.

This is true if you're fighting one unarmed opponent. But if you're fighting multiple attackers (happens literally every hour) the last thing you want to do is get on the ground. If you're actually concerned with topic. Get yourself into good physical condition, become somewhat proficient in striking and grappling. And then spend the other 50% of your time becoming as deadly as possible with firearms.

The people who bring up violence as a counter to learning a martial art forget that the best martial artists have only temporarily restrained their violence in order to channel it cleanly. But they haven’t forgotten violence. They can let it loose at any time, which includes that raw violence such as head butting, biting, stabbing, clawing, nut shotting, pure desire to inflict as much damage as possible

I’ve learned enough jujitsu to beat most Marines i spar with or at least control them. So I’m currently studying boxing and plan doing judo when I get back from deployment. That’s gonna be my base. Striking to setup and avoid throws.

Did 7 years of judo when i was a kid. Worked as a bouncer and police, can't count the number of people i've thrown on the ground with judo.

Judo, JiuJitsu and Greco Roman Wrestling are fantastic foundations ❤

Judo is great. It's fun to practice, keeps you healthy and strong. It also helps you make new friends with good people. I practice Jiu-Jitsu and we do a bit of Judo too.

Just started judo now and it's scary sparring with the experienced guys. My instructor threw me and I wasn't expecting it, thinking he would stop short, and silly me didn't breakfall properly and it fking hurt like hell.

It's a matter of perspective: - If you dedicate your life to martial arts - yes you can reach a high level in this art. - If your goal is to increase people's chance to successfully defend themselves with a moderate amount of effort like training soldiers for combat or people that don't want the life-long sport but just some self defence skills Krav Maga and other modern self defence systems may be the way to go. But it depends. If your scenario isn't fighting for your life but to defend against a drunk teenager you don't want to cripple for the rest of his life Krav Maga is the worst there is. By the way that's my biggest problem with Krav Maga: It is too brutal for many situations average civilians have. I did Judo. I can lay most persons on their back with me in full mount if I want without hurting them, it's a good moment to renegotiate the necessity to continue this.

As a Bob Jones Martial Arts affiliated Krav Maga instructor, I have never heard anyone saying these things about MMA, boxers, judo etc. Having a closed mind means you're gonna get your brains mashed. Every Martial Art has it's stupid trash talkers. They're the ones to avoid, not necessarily the martial art itself.

I think the best is really knowing how to tangle with both worlds. If you're in the street feel free to incorporate some Krav tactics into your established skillsetof martial arts.

I was slammed on the ground by a judo black belt so hard I fractured my elbow, I weigh 94kg, he is around 80kg and he just slammed me like nothing.

I’ve only done wrestling/BJJ but I’d love to do some judo, and more striking.

The problem with this is that Krav Maga is not being explained properly by these two the thing that separates Krav Maga from other fight styles besides it being straight for self defense is that’s the quickest way to get someone from A to B in the shortest amount of time in regards to how to fight ,bjj and judo takes years to learn where as Krav Maga only a few months

The thing is, judo throws are so good that most people don't even feel the need to talk about judo chops. Because it's just overkill at that point

I loved judo wrestling and bjj but as soon as I incorporated wing Chun it all came together. The unorthodox striking as well as short trips and hand traps all came together to make a deadly style. Between my experience with all 4 martial arts I walk into any situation with my head up

I trained Krav for a little over a year and thought I had it figured out, then a friend introduced me to Jiu Jitsu and I realized I didn't know sh*t. I train Jiu Jitsu now.

For street fight boxing+judo is the perfect combination. Kicks are great, but you don't wanna kick in an uncontrolled environment and take the risk of fall. BJJ, amazing, but as soon as you throw your opponent you either get out or smash his head, because if don't do it he will.

I started judo when I was 6, trained it until I was 10. I was a chubby kid and when I got to competitions, because of my weight I would compete with 3 year kids older than me and got murdered. I switched to basketball. Funny story aside, if you change angles of throws on somebody on street you can legit kill someone slamming them on concrete. Judokas know how to fall, regular people do not

I would advise using boxing or judo , or combining the two arts or learning traditional jiu-jitsu for self defense or combat

Grappling training is rough. We get bumped. We experience pain n still do the stuff that works. I do muay thai n bjj. I've been kneed in the face n kicked in the nuts.... Its fine.

For self defense, Judo and Kickboxing I think are the best when it comes to just grappling and just striking on the street. Judo gives you the tools to handle a BJJ and a Wrestler grappling wise; and makes you good with clinch grappling and ground grappling. You get good at throws, trips, and takedowns; pins, submissions and escapes. All in a single discipline. That's why Rhonda was so successful with grappling because in a single cohesive discipline you have aspects of clinch grappling and takedowns that are just as dangerous as a wrestler and aspects of ground grappling and submissions that are just as good as a bjj artist. Khabib, Fedor, Randy Couture, and Matt Hughes have openly praised Judo and have a high esteem for the sport. And GSP and Jon Jones have used Judo as a method to defeat opponents as well. So, some of UFC's most succesful wrestler's all either directly using Judo or having high esteem for Judo. Likewise with BJJ practitioners; Demian Maia, one of the best period has used Judo to set up his BJJ and has a black belt. Fabricio Werdum, awesome BJJ black belt, also a judo black belt. There's a lot of BJJ practitioners who have cross trained in Judo, have belts in Judo, actively use it to set up BJJ and have high esteem for it as BJJ comes from Judo. When BOTH wrestlers AND bjj artist use judo, cross train in it, and hold high regard for it you know it's truly a great discipline. FOR YOUR AVERAGE PERSON WHO CAN ONLY TRAIN IN 1 GRAPPLING DISCIPLINE, CHOOSE JUDO. Plus, it's a cohesive discipline. Kickboxing is the striking counter part to Judo; whereas Judo has points of intersectionality with the strengths of both Wrestling and Bjj in a cohesive discipline, Kickboxing has points of intersectionality with the strengths of Boxing and Muay Thai. All combinations and counters are boxing centered, so youll be able to contend with someone with the exclusive skillset of pure boxing. Everything unique about Kickboxing is in the name, it specializes in blending boxing with various forms of kicking and kneeing from other disciplines that blend punching and kicking together from different tactical models such as Muay Thai, Savate and Kyokushin. To have a COMPLETE Striking AND Grappling Game, with the MOST FINITE Discipline Selection as to allow you to Concentrate ALL of your focus in cohesive and fluid disciplines; it's hard to beat a Judo and Kickboxing combo for everyday person who want's to get better at grappling and striking. Now I don't know about Krav Maga, but FMA is a legit discipline that teaches you practical knife fighting and stick fighting techniques so if you ever need to use a knife or supplemental shank like weapon like a knife or a pen or pencil as a knife you'll be able to do so effectively. And if you ever need to use a blunt instrument as a weapon supplementing the sticks of FMA, then you'll be adequately trained. Plus, there are weapon disarms as apart of FMA, but when the disarms of knives and sticks are apart of a more comprehensive system that legitimately teaches how to actually use knives and sticks and the disarms within the system are engineered to disarm someone who knows how to properly use a knife and a stick like what's taught in FMA, then it lends credibility to the practicality of their disarms compared to other systems.

Problem is there are almost no judo places left that teach it for self defence, it's all Olympic rules and they get more restrictive every year...

"The best martial arts are the martial arts that work on martial artists, not untrained people." - I forgot he used to say this way back then.

Isn't Judo technically a sport like Boxing? Regardless, Judo seems ideal for "self defense". In a sense, Judo requires an attacker for it to be applied against. Krav Maga isn't really a 1 on 1 fight technique but for facing weapons or multiple opponents by taking rather than subverting initiative.

Joe needs to update himself on Krav Maga. Krav Maga Global (KMG) by Master Eyal Yanilov has upgraded their curriculum which now has a lot of ground fighting added to it from Judo throws to BJJ grappling and much more. Krav Maga is always evolving to meet the threats of the modern times.

Started in Judo in 1965 under my father. And yes it has provided many…finishes…

While jo is fundamentally correct about skill sets he shows his lack of street fighting experience here Combat sport and street fighting are very different and I say that as a combat athlete and someone who has had many street encounters over the years Bjj for street is not good , boxing , ability to not lose ur balance (so judo/wresting) and being physically strong are the most important skills

I think the best self defense martial arts to learn are these: 10. Gracie Jiujitsu 9. Muay Thai 8. Kyokushin and/or offshoots 7. Judo 6. Dutch Kickboxing 5. Lethwei 4. Shootboxing 3. Sambo 2. Sanda 1. Kudo Minimum weakpoints, maximum strongpoints. That's been my view of martial arts self defense for a long time.

‘… in general those people suck…’, so true. Well said. Hubris and self-aggrandisement goes to the shitter after the first strike. De-escalate, avoid, respect….

Judo us perfect for any self defense situation, although a little boxing knowledge can help.

I've been in a couple fights in prison and judo was %100 effective against an untrained opponent and I was considered weakest of my class

Judo is such a grind, the constant getting up and getting slammed are real test to ones fortitude.

As a martial artist i can relate, this is my rank of best effectiv sports: 1 Judo (they can kill you) 2 Jiujitsu (Traditionnal) 3 Muay Thai 4 Wrestle 5 Kyokushin karate

Rolling against judo guys in BJJ class they would always trow you down but then get beat on the ground which kinda gave you false confidence because of the padded floor. If it was on concrete that takedown could finish you and even be lethal.

I had heard that Krav Maga was started by a guy who combined boxing and Judo techniques.

lol. I hear it all the time. Even had a guy tell me that 20 years ago he would have did a number on. I say do I get to go back 20 years to when I was actually training for combat sport. OK yes I admit I sucked at Judo in terms of competition . I was almost 40 when I started and was looking to supplement my karate training with an area where my karate was really bad. Anyway , almost got off on a tangent. What most of these Self defense guys are missing when they talk about dealing with violence is they don't actually know what violence is. I watched a vid of a guy ( in prison ) who was a trained fighter who beat the guy in a prison fight ya square one on one but the guy later proved later what the difference real violence is when blind sided the guy with a panini press stuffed in a pillow case. That s where I laugh at the guys and their ultimate self defense styles.

Martial arts is not about fighting but about self control

Joe: "worse place to be, in a winter jacket with a judo specialist.." Me a BJJ practitioner: **sits down on the floor** ✌️

Judo might be an ok martial art for self defence if you're an expert at it and someone is wearing a jacket. Otherwise I would say it's pretty low on the pile. It's actually quite a challenge to throw someone which is why you don't see people been thrown that often in the UFC.

Here's the main problem, in a street fight you might face one drunk who is easy to handle because he's drunk, but the vast majority of street fights you will have multiple people against you, so if you are a grappling guy, (great skill as a bouncer when you have other bouncers covering for you), but if you grapple with a guy and get them on the ground the other guys with him will be lining up to kick you in the head, if you are lucky, or they will be lining up to jump into the air and come down on your head, good luck grappling then, and this is not a hypothetical situation. Cage or ring fighting does nor reflect the street, and most times it will not be one on one.

“…all that Krav Maga sh**t’s out the window son!” It’s so true!😂😂😂😂

I remember same debate going on again between Khabib and Kayla on one side and Cejudo, Usman, Makachev, Frankie, Gaetje on the other...... very intresting it was!

Done Judo over 40 odd years ago had to sign a small book as a practitioner and not to be used in public unless it was for self defense. The thing is our instructor was fat, but boy this fella was an ex UK champ he was lethal, I !!!cough !!!! remember him showing us the tominage (spelling) that was a banned move 40 odd years ago here. But I took the training and applied it to different sports, i.e. use the opponent's own momentum against himself, so many people playing footbal aka soccer jumping on your back for a cross as soon as I feel any weight on my back whoosh I'm trying my lace and the fella is now tumbling in front of me. 😂

What Joe says is true, but it's rare to get 2 true martial artists going at it on the streets. A martial artist is a man of peace, always looking for the non violent path out of a situation. If a martial artist gets involved in a street altercation, then it's usually against someone with no, or very little combat sport training, as the more you train, the more you learn, the more you learn, the better you become, and the better you become, the less you want to use it as you know how dangerous you have become. Krav Maga have useful skills for the street, for it's rare you'll come up against a skilled fighter, as the skilled fighter doesn't go out looking for trouble, knob heads do! Sport combat is great for what it is, but a real street confrontation needs to be reality based. Weapons and multiple attackers MUST be involved in your training, and your training MUST be pressure tested. For me, the most realistic fighting system out there is being taught in Urban Combatives, headed by Lee Morrison. Check out his videos here on KZhome, pretty much as real as it comes!

the scariest thing is a wrestler who loves to throw hands.

I practise krav and I couldn't agree more, will help against ppl who can't fight and it's nice to know some self defense but against a trained fighter good luck

Honestly in street fights, the best self defense is to run or to use a gun or to jump somebody. Street fights go left so quickly and there's no rules. The better equipped guy wins street fights, not the toughest guy.

Krav seems more street practical whereas Martial Arts is more sport practical. A high level Krav vs a high level MMA fighter would be interesting to watch because Krav aims for areas that MMA intentionally avoids.

Boxing and Judo are the best for fighting someone on the streets, you don't wanna go to the ground and you definitely don't wanna high kick with the risk of someone catching your leg.

In the earlier/middle days of MMA judokas often seemed to get striking quicker than wrestler or bjj people. Probably due to the grip handfighting

People saying Joe can't make up his mind is just cause he knows what he's talking about. Saying there is one absolute art is simply not true. BJJ wins everytime on the ground, there are simply too many tools available to a bjj player when grappling, from both top and bottom. But as Joe said, if you can't take the person down and they know striking obviously you have to now know striking, or have good running cardio.. Judokas can beat anyone, a clean throw on a hard surface is gonna knock the wind and motivation out of anyone. Truth is, if you're around 180 ish lbs, with a purple belt in bjj, knowing some good trips or even throws from judo and then on top of that you have done some striking. You're gonna be able to defend yourself with relative ease. So just train and learn.

My 7 y.o. son agrees after year doing Judo 🤣😂🙃🤣😂 I'm trying to convince him to go to Gracie's gym next year to try BJJ to mix two together.

one more thing, in some self defence there is teaching, exercises, for situation awearness. I did not see martial art teaching it yet. I saw it in body guard course and point man course, but never during MA lesson. I saw it during krav maga lesson.

I love judo. I learned a lot of great takedowns

If you are a Judoka, please Be Careful rolling with BJJ'ers. In particular, Learn about the BJJ 'Lock Down' technique in newaza and how to escape it. My knee/Judo training was ended in 2010 by a Lock Down.

Joe Rogan spitting flames and facts once again.